Hubbard Trial Day 3 Morning

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Date: May 26 2016 12:00 PM

HUBBARD TRIAL DAY 3 MORNING SESSION-RANDALL CAMBERDEANA OWNER OF MAJORITY STRATAGIES IS FIRST UP TO TESTIFY. THE COMPANY SPECIALIZES IN MAILING PIECES, AND CAMPAIGN STRATEGY FOR PRIMARILY REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES. CAMBERDEANA IS SHOWN AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO HIS BUSINESS PARTNER. IN THE EMAIL CAMBERDEANA IS TOLD BY HIS PARTNER THAT THE ONLY WAY TO GET THE ALABAMA REPUBLICAN BUSINESS IS TO DO BUSINESS WITH CRAFTMASTERS PRINTERS. THE PARTNER MR.BRETT BURKE TELLS CAMBERDEANA THAT THE PRICE IS TO HIGH BUT THE ONLY WAY TO GET THE BUSINESS IS TO USE CRAFTMASTERS. CAMBERDEANA RESPONDS THAT HE UNDERSTANDS THAT THE PRICE IS HIGH, BUT WE CAN MAKE IT UP BY GETTING MORE BUSINESS FROM MIKE (HUBBARD) DOWN THE ROAD. CAMBERDEANA URGES BURKE TO SWALLOW HIS PRIDE AND WORK WITH MR. WHATLEY AT CRAFTMASTERS. CAMBERDEANA TELLS BURKE IN THE EMAIL THAT HUBBARD’S GREED WILL SERVE THEM LATER. CAMBERDEANA SAID NO WHEN ASKED SPECIFICALLY IF HE FELT AS THOUGH HE COULD HAVE USED ANOTHER PRINTER, HART ASKS, “COULD YOU HAVE USED ANY OTHER PRINTER IN THE WORLD OR JUST CRAFTMASTERS?” CAMBERDEANA REPLIED “NO”.  UNDER CROSS EXAMINATION CAMBERDEANA READS A PORTION OF AN EMAIL THAT SHOWS THAT HE DID ACTUALLY DID USE ANOTHER PRINTER FOR A RUSH JOB ON SOME MAIL PIECES FOR ANOTHER CLIENT. CAMBERDEANA SAID HE NEEDED THE PRINTIND DONE QUICKLY AND USED THE PRINTER WHO WAS CHARGING A DIFFERENT PRICE, BUT DIDN’T WANT TO CHANGE THE PRICE TO THE CLIENT BECAUSE HE DIDN’T WANT THE CLIENT TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THEY WERE MAKING ON THE DEAL. HART OBJECTS TO THE ADMISSION OF A DOCUMENT, THE DEFENSE SAYS IT WAS THEIR DOCUMENT PROVIDED TO THE DEFENSE, HART SAID, “OK THAT’S FINE THEN.”

CAMBERDEANA WAS ASKED WHAT HIS AVERAGE PROFIT WAS, AFTER SOME STUTTERING CAMBERDEANA SAID ABOUT 30%. BUT IN THE HUBBARD DEAL A DESIGN FEE TOOK THE PLACE OF A MARKUP PERCENTAGE. CAMBERDEANA IS ASKED IF HE EVER HAD A SPECIFIC CONVERSATION WITH HUBBARD WHERE HE WAS TOLD HE HAD TO USE CRAFTMASTERS. CAMBERDEANA SAID HE NEVER HAD A SPECIFIC CONVERSATION. WITNESS DISMISSED.

STEVE CLOUSE IS CALLED TO TESTIFY- CLOUSE IS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE. IN 2013 CLOUSE SERVED AS CHAIRMAN IN THE ABSENCE OF THE CHAIRMAN WHO WAS INVOLVED IN A SPECIAL ELECTION FOR A SENATE SEAT.

CLOUSE AGREES WITH THE PROSECUTOR THAT PART OF HIS JOB IS TO HELP WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND IT IS HIS JOB TO HELP CREATE JOBS. CLOUSE SAYS HE HAS NEVER BEEN HIRED BY A COMPANY AS A CONSULTANT. CLOUSE SAYS FERREL PATRICK WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT A PRESCRIPTION BENEFIT MANAGER, CLOUSE SAID LATER HE ATTENDED A MEETING IN HUBBARDS OFFICE WITH PATRICK, JOHN BLADES, AND THE SPEAKER TO DISCUSS THE PLAN FOR A PBM. CLOUSE ASKED FOR NORRIS GREEN FROM THE LEGISLATIVE FISCAL OFFICE TO JOIN THE MEETING. GREEN EXPLAINED THAT THE PROPOSED SAVINGS OF $10 MILLION DOLLARS WOULD COST MEDICAID $20 MILLION IN MATCHING FUNDS. NEVERTHELESS CLOUSE SAYS LANGUAGE APPEARRED IN THE BUDGET THAT WOULD CREATE THE PBM FOR MEDICAID. CLOUSE IS ASKED ABOUT THE SEAGD, AND IF HE IS FAMILIAR WITH IT. CLOUSE SAID HE DOES. CLOUSE DISCUSSES THE INCEPTION OF AND THE LOCATION OF COMMERCIAL JET AT THE DOTHAN AIRPORT. CLOUSE SAYS HE FIRST LEARNED ABOUT HUBBARD BEING HIRED AS A CONSULTANT FOR SEAGD WHEN AN ANNOUNCEMENT WAS MADE AT A GATHERING OF LOCAL MAYORS IN OZARK. CLOUSE IS ASKED HOW IMPORTANT THE ROLE OF SPEAKER IS, HE ANSWERS THAT THE ROLE OF SPEAKER IS VERY IMPORTANT TO GETTING LEGISLATION PASSED.

CROSS EXAMINATION BY BAXLEY- BAXLEY ASKS CLOUSE IF HUBBARD TRIED TO FORCE HIM TO DO ANYTHING ON THE BUDGET, CLOUSE SAYS NO. DID THE SPEAKER DISCUSS THE LANGUAGE TO BE PUT IN ABOUT THE PBM?, CLOUSE SAYS NO. PROSECUTION OBJECTS TO THE ADMISSION OF AN EMAIL BETWEEN ARTHUR ORR AND CLOUSE. THE EMAIL IS NOT ADMITTED. BAXLEY MOVES ON TO QUESTIONS ABOUT COMMERCIAL JET. BAXLEY ASKS A SERIES OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW COMMERCIAL CAME TO LOCATE AT THE DOTHAN AIRPORT SUCH AS HOW MUCH WAS THEIR INVESTMENT, HOW MANY JOBS AND SO ON. CLOUSE TESTIFIES THAT HUBBARD ATTENDED THE ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE PLANT MOVING TO DOTHAN.

BAXLEY ASSERTS THAT THE LANGUAGE IN THE BUDGET ABOUT MEDICAID AND A PBM WAS REMOVED IN COMMITTEE, CLOUSE SAYS IT WAS CHANGED, BAXLY SAYS ARE YOU SURE THEY DIDN’T TAKE IT OUT? CLOUSE SAYS AGAIN, “THEY CHANGED IT”. BAXLEY STARTS A SERIES OF QUESTIONS ABOUT CURRENT AND FORMER MEMBER OF THE HOUSE THAT HAVE SERVED WITH CLOUSE WHO HAVE JOBS PROMOTING INDUSTRY ACROSS THE STATE. CLOUSE ANSWERS HE DOES KNOW THAT SOME OF THEM DID. THE PROSECUTION OBJECTS, BAXLEY THENS ASKS ABOUT ANOTHER HOUSE MEMBER, THE PROSECUTION OBJECTS. THIS GOES ON FOR A FEW MINUTES. FINALLY AFTER ABOUT 5 QUESTIONS AND 5 OBJECTIONS BAXLEY MOVES ON. ON REDIRECT THE PROSECUTION ASKS IF CLOUSE THINKS THE SPEAKER BEING PAID BY A GROUP THAT WOULD DIRECTLY BENEFIT FROM HIS VOTE WAS A PROBLEM. CLOUSE ANSWERS YES. CLOUSE DISMISSED.

NORRIS GREEN IS CALLED TO TESTIFY ABOUT HIS WORK THE LEGISLATIVE FISCAL OFFICE A POSITION HE HELD FOR 38 YEARS AND 9 MONTHS. GREEN SAYS HE WAS CALLED UP TO THE SPEAKERS OFFICE TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE OF A PBM WITH STEVE CLOUSE, THE SPEAKER, JOSH BLADES, AND FERREL PATRICK. HUBBARD TOLD GREEN THEY WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO GET MORE MONEY TO THE COURT SYSTEM. THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO TAKE IT FROM SOME OTHER AGENCY. GREEN SAID THE IDEA WAS TO TAKE THE MONEY FROM MEDICAID AND USE THE PBM PLAN TO SAVE THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. GREEN SAID HE TOLD THE GROUP HE WOULD NEED SOME SPECIFICS TO ANALIZE THE PLAN TO SEE IF IT WOULD WORK. AFTER LOOKING AT IT GREEN SAID MOORE AND THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM REALLY DIDN’T NEED THE MONEY, BUT HUBBARD TOLD GREEN HE WANTED TO HELP MOORE BECAUSE MOORE COULD HELP HIM DOWN THE ROAD. GREEN WAS TOLD BY HUBBARD THAT PATRICK WOULD GET HIM THE LANGUAGE, AND ABOUT A WEEK LATER PATRICK AND GREG WREN SHOWED UP AT GREENS OFFICE. GREEN SAID HE CAME AWAY FROM THE MEETING THINKING MEDICAID WOULD BE OPPOSED TO A PBM PROGRAM. GREEN SAID HE HAD THE IDEA TO ADD “IF MEDICAID DEVELOPS A PBM PROGRAM THEY WILL FOLLOW THE PATRICK PLAN.

GREEN IS ASKED IF THE SPEAKER CAN CHANGE A BILL, GREEN SAYS HIS POLICY HAS ALWYS BEEB TO MAKE SURE ALL CHANGES GO THROUGH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE HANDLING THE BILL, BUT FRANKLY IF THE SPEAKER WANTS THE CHANGE HE IS GONNA GET IT. GREEN IS SHOWN AN EMAIL WITH SPECIFIC LANGUANGE FOR THE MEDICAID BILL THAT CAME FROM THE SPEAKERS OFFICE. GREEN SAID HE THEN TOLD CLOUSE AND PUT IT IN THE BILL.

BAXLEY CROSS EXAMINES, HE ASKS GREEN HOW MANY MEETINGS HE HAD CONCERNING THE PBM, GREEN SAID 1. BAXLEY THEN ASKS GREEN IF MIKE HUBBARD EVER DIRECTED HIM TO DO ANYTHING DIRECTLY, OR PUT CERTAIN LANGUAGE IN THE BILL. GREEN SAYS HE DID NOT. GREEN DISMISSED.

MARY LAWRENCE IS AN ANALYST FOR THE LEGISLATIVE FISCAL OFFICE AND HANDLES MOST OF THE SOCIAL SERVICE AGENCIES.LAWRENCE DISCUSSES THE MEDICAID BUDGET IN 2013. SHE SAYS SHE RECALLS A MEETING WITH FERREL PATRICK, GREG WREN, AND NORRIS GREEN IN WHICH SHE WAS SHOWN LANGUAGE THAT PATRICK AND WREN WANTED PUT INTO THE MEDICAID PORTION OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET. LAWRENCE SAID EVEN IF THE SPEAKER WANTED SOMETHING PUT INTO A BILL IT STILL HAD TO GO THROUGH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE. LAWRENCE CROSSED BY BAXLEY HE ASKED LAWRENCE IF MIKE HUBBARD EVER PERSONALLY ASKED HER OR DIRECTED HER TO DO ANYTHING? LAWRENCE SAYS NO. WITNESS DISMISSED.

RACHEL RIDDLE IS THE SENATE FISCAL OFFICER AND SAID SHE WAS ASKED BY NORRIS GREEN TO SIT IN ON A MEETING ABOUT PBM LANGUAGE TO BE ADDED TO THE BUDGET. RIDDLE SAYS SHE WAS TOLD LATER BY FERREL PATRICK THANK YOU FOR GETTING THE LANGUAGE HE WANTED INTO THE BILL. RIDDLE SAYS SHE DIDN’T DO ANYTHING. BAXLEY ON CROSS SHOWS RIDDLE AN EMAIL, SHE SAYS SHE DOESN’T RECOGNIZE IT AND IS DISMISSED.

 

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